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	<title>Comments on: Curagen – Positive Results at ASCO 2009</title>
	<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/</link>
	<description>Biotech stock reviews</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ohad Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-4693</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-4693</guid>
		<description>There are plenty of arguments in order to oppose peptide based vaccines. To me CLDX's rindo could be different because:

1) it targets a mutated protein for which it might be easier to break tolerance.
2) They show that EGFRVIII positive tumors turn into EGFRVIII negative tumors - implies the vaccine has biologic activity.

Other than that it's a highly risky program.


Ohad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of arguments in order to oppose peptide based vaccines. To me CLDX&#8217;s rindo could be different because:</p>
<p>1) it targets a mutated protein for which it might be easier to break tolerance.<br />
2) They show that EGFRVIII positive tumors turn into EGFRVIII negative tumors - implies the vaccine has biologic activity.</p>
<p>Other than that it&#8217;s a highly risky program.</p>
<p>Ohad</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-4687</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-4687</guid>
		<description>Ohad,

A teaching fellow at the Mayo Clinic posted these remarks about CLDX's Rindopepimut.  Do you agree?  What would be your rejoinder?

 


"I've not really looked into this, so I don't have anything meaningful to add. I will note, however, that they're using additional methods to stimulate T cells. I think this highlights the difference in approach between companies who simply believe this pathway will take care of itself (a la rindo) versus companies that believe direct stimulation of this pathway is a necessary part of improving the success of immunotherapeutics (ipi, blinatimumab). 

=== 

Not to belabour the point, but I think one important point of all these vaccine immunotherapeutics against self antigens is to pay attention to the immune response related side effects (if any). Since we've not had much success with vaccine-type immunotherapeutics, new approaches will most likely show outright failure (we see little to no immunological adverse events coupled with little efficacy - theratope and various other vaccine immunotherapeutics) or a degree of success that goes hand in hand with a serious immunological adverse event profile (ipilimumab; remember TGN1412?). 

I don't think we're at the point technologically where we can manage to break self-tolerance with these vaccination strategies while demonstrating zero immunological adverse events. In my opinion, anyone currently selling this utopian view is selling a vaccine strategy that doesn't work."

 

 



My comments were directed towards rindopepimut, which I thought was the larger focus of the piece. So in regards to A, i would note that the mechanism of action of provenge and ipilimumab are very different that rindopepimut. 

Rindopepimut is simply a 13 amino acid peptide attached to a carrier protein (KLH in this case). So the body has to ramp up an immune response against this peptide. This has historically been a relatively failing proposition in producing an adaptive immune response: you get low titre B-cell derived antigen specific antibodies and a weak T cell response. This is very similar to BLP25. 

MAbs like ipilimumab skip the step of requiring the body to produce high affinity antibodies against the desired target. I think this is key. I do not debate ipilimumab's efficacy, but its mechanism is very different than what rindo asks of the immune system. 

As for provenge, the earlier papers by Vuk-Pavlovic showed very weak T cell responses. And as we know, the response was largely against the fusion point of the constructed peptide cassette. I won't deny that provenge has demonstrated some efficacy, but I think we can agree that the mechanism through which that efficacy is manifest depends on a pathway very different than rindo.

 

As per usual, I do not believe that such peptide immunotherapeutics elicit a sufficient immune response. I would personally stay away from cldx even if that means I miss out on a phase iii success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohad,</p>
<p>A teaching fellow at the Mayo Clinic posted these remarks about CLDX&#8217;s Rindopepimut.  Do you agree?  What would be your rejoinder?</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve not really looked into this, so I don&#8217;t have anything meaningful to add. I will note, however, that they&#8217;re using additional methods to stimulate T cells. I think this highlights the difference in approach between companies who simply believe this pathway will take care of itself (a la rindo) versus companies that believe direct stimulation of this pathway is a necessary part of improving the success of immunotherapeutics (ipi, blinatimumab). </p>
<p>=== </p>
<p>Not to belabour the point, but I think one important point of all these vaccine immunotherapeutics against self antigens is to pay attention to the immune response related side effects (if any). Since we&#8217;ve not had much success with vaccine-type immunotherapeutics, new approaches will most likely show outright failure (we see little to no immunological adverse events coupled with little efficacy - theratope and various other vaccine immunotherapeutics) or a degree of success that goes hand in hand with a serious immunological adverse event profile (ipilimumab; remember TGN1412?). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re at the point technologically where we can manage to break self-tolerance with these vaccination strategies while demonstrating zero immunological adverse events. In my opinion, anyone currently selling this utopian view is selling a vaccine strategy that doesn&#8217;t work.&#8221;</p>
<p>My comments were directed towards rindopepimut, which I thought was the larger focus of the piece. So in regards to A, i would note that the mechanism of action of provenge and ipilimumab are very different that rindopepimut. </p>
<p>Rindopepimut is simply a 13 amino acid peptide attached to a carrier protein (KLH in this case). So the body has to ramp up an immune response against this peptide. This has historically been a relatively failing proposition in producing an adaptive immune response: you get low titre B-cell derived antigen specific antibodies and a weak T cell response. This is very similar to BLP25. </p>
<p>MAbs like ipilimumab skip the step of requiring the body to produce high affinity antibodies against the desired target. I think this is key. I do not debate ipilimumab&#8217;s efficacy, but its mechanism is very different than what rindo asks of the immune system. </p>
<p>As for provenge, the earlier papers by Vuk-Pavlovic showed very weak T cell responses. And as we know, the response was largely against the fusion point of the constructed peptide cassette. I won&#8217;t deny that provenge has demonstrated some efficacy, but I think we can agree that the mechanism through which that efficacy is manifest depends on a pathway very different than rindo.</p>
<p>As per usual, I do not believe that such peptide immunotherapeutics elicit a sufficient immune response. I would personally stay away from cldx even if that means I miss out on a phase iii success.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-1049</guid>
		<description>Based on the title of the abstract, there are still no signs of efficacy, which is not surprising. In order to remain on track, MT110 must have a good safety profile that will enable dose escalation to therapeutic levels.


I liked OSI' new IGF1R inhibitor. Looks like they are the first to suceed with that target, probably have a better chance than all the antibodies in the clinic against the same target. However I am not too optimistic on Tarceva's ability to grow, following the recent data at ASCO as a maintenance therapy.

I don'e have a concrete opinion on ONTY. 

ohad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the title of the abstract, there are still no signs of efficacy, which is not surprising. In order to remain on track, MT110 must have a good safety profile that will enable dose escalation to therapeutic levels.</p>
<p>I liked OSI&#8217; new IGF1R inhibitor. Looks like they are the first to suceed with that target, probably have a better chance than all the antibodies in the clinic against the same target. However I am not too optimistic on Tarceva&#8217;s ability to grow, following the recent data at ASCO as a maintenance therapy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;e have a concrete opinion on ONTY. </p>
<p>ohad</p>
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		<title>By: RICH</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>RICH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-1048</guid>
		<description>HELLO OHAD
How are you ?
I wonder how you feel the news will be about MITI on the 22nd,  and if you can give any info on ONTY and  OSIP
THANKS

RICH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HELLO OHAD<br />
How are you ?<br />
I wonder how you feel the news will be about MITI on the 22nd,  and if you can give any info on ONTY and  OSIP<br />
THANKS</p>
<p>RICH</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-918</guid>
		<description>Sorry denny, I don't follow NPSP.

Regarding the MITI rumor, I also heard that but I have no confitrmation. If MITI manages to get full rights to blinatumomab, it will put it in a very attractive position. The $6M figure sounds rather low, though.

ohad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry denny, I don&#8217;t follow NPSP.</p>
<p>Regarding the MITI rumor, I also heard that but I have no confitrmation. If MITI manages to get full rights to blinatumomab, it will put it in a very attractive position. The $6M figure sounds rather low, though.</p>
<p>ohad</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-912</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-912</guid>
		<description>Did you see that MITI rumored to buy full rights for blinatumomab for 6 Million, what is going on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see that MITI rumored to buy full rights for blinatumomab for 6 Million, what is going on?</p>
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		<title>By: denny</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-904</guid>
		<description>Ohad,

What do you think about NPSP? They have 2 drugs in phase 3: GATTEX™ (teduglutide), NPSP558 (parathyroid hormone 1-84 [rDNA origin] injection)

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohad,</p>
<p>What do you think about NPSP? They have 2 drugs in phase 3: GATTEX™ (teduglutide), NPSP558 (parathyroid hormone 1-84 [rDNA origin] injection)</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-897</guid>
		<description>INCY owns 100% of a potential blockbuster with a very high likelihood of approval. At $550M, it isn't cheap but not too expensive either. The only issue is the debt.

Sorry, I don't follow YMI

ohad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INCY owns 100% of a potential blockbuster with a very high likelihood of approval. At $550M, it isn&#8217;t cheap but not too expensive either. The only issue is the debt.</p>
<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t follow YMI</p>
<p>ohad</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-896</guid>
		<description>Hi Ohad,
Do you have any thoughts about YMI ?
Regards,
Jules</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ohad,<br />
Do you have any thoughts about YMI ?<br />
Regards,<br />
Jules</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-885</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-885</guid>
		<description>incyte is up more than 15 percent today.
What do you believe is a good entry point?
How much would you value its pipeline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>incyte is up more than 15 percent today.<br />
What do you believe is a good entry point?<br />
How much would you value its pipeline?</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-880</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-880</guid>
		<description>I agree with you re the SPA itself, which was expected.
In my opinion, INCY has a very high chances of meeting the study's endpoints.

Prior valuation is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you re the SPA itself, which was expected.<br />
In my opinion, INCY has a very high chances of meeting the study&#8217;s endpoints.</p>
<p>Prior valuation is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-879</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-879</guid>
		<description>I own a small stake in incyte but why such a big deal that incyte and fda agree on the drug trial design? 

It is not like they produced positive results from phase 3 trials.

Also, what scares me is that incyte was once over a 140 per and has lost more than 95 percent from that high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own a small stake in incyte but why such a big deal that incyte and fda agree on the drug trial design? </p>
<p>It is not like they produced positive results from phase 3 trials.</p>
<p>Also, what scares me is that incyte was once over a 140 per and has lost more than 95 percent from that high.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-878</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-878</guid>
		<description>Actually I am. Will try to find a better entry point than the current price, though. 

ohad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I am. Will try to find a better entry point than the current price, though. </p>
<p>ohad</p>
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		<title>By: denny</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-877</link>
		<dc:creator>denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-877</guid>
		<description>ohad,

what is your opinion on INCY? Are you writing any article on INCY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ohad,</p>
<p>what is your opinion on INCY? Are you writing any article on INCY</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-871</guid>
		<description>because I work for Pontifax, which is a large shareholder of Protalix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because I work for Pontifax, which is a large shareholder of Protalix.</p>
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		<title>By: bio boy</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator>bio boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-870</guid>
		<description>Ohad
Hi 
What is your current opinion on GENZ and it's manufacturing troubles , and what do you think of it's potential competitor for Gauche disease , Protalix.
Thanks.

Can't you comment on this , why ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohad<br />
Hi<br />
What is your current opinion on GENZ and it&#8217;s manufacturing troubles , and what do you think of it&#8217;s potential competitor for Gauche disease , Protalix.<br />
Thanks.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you comment on this , why ?</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-862</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-862</guid>
		<description>Sorry, don't follow CYCC.

The ARRY news is negative but it's only one of many assets.

ohad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, don&#8217;t follow CYCC.</p>
<p>The ARRY news is negative but it&#8217;s only one of many assets.</p>
<p>ohad</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-861</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-861</guid>
		<description>Hello Ohad
what your opinion on the recent ARRY news
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=123810&#38;p=irol-newsArticle&#38;ID=1305781

Thanks
 Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ohad<br />
what your opinion on the recent ARRY news<br />
<a href="http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=123810&amp;p=irol-newsArticle&amp;ID=1305781" rel="nofollow">http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=123810&amp;p=irol-newsArticle&amp;ID=1305781</a></p>
<p>Thanks<br />
 Alex</p>
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		<title>By: heymang</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-860</link>
		<dc:creator>heymang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-860</guid>
		<description>Ohad,

Love your work on MITI.  What do you think of CYCC or do you follow it??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohad,</p>
<p>Love your work on MITI.  What do you think of CYCC or do you follow it??</p>
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		<title>By: Ohad Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-859</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohad Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.hammerstockblog.com/curagen-%e2%80%93-positive-results-at-asco-2009/#comment-859</guid>
		<description>Hi Sam

It's hard to pick one or two stocks. In a risky field like biotech, I would spread that across several companies.
There is one company we are seriously considering at the moment, we might add it during the coming weeks.

I hope the R788 data are as good as TASKi 1, but large trials tend to be less positive than smaller ones.

ohad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to pick one or two stocks. In a risky field like biotech, I would spread that across several companies.<br />
There is one company we are seriously considering at the moment, we might add it during the coming weeks.</p>
<p>I hope the R788 data are as good as TASKi 1, but large trials tend to be less positive than smaller ones.</p>
<p>ohad</p>
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